Moxxor...combining Omega 3 fish oil with New Zealand greenlipped mussel oil
Question: from Bruce
I would be keen to know whether you feel that the mussel-based omega 3 products that Moxxor (a NZ-based health food company) produce are more potent than your omega 3 product. Their claims certainly suggest that they have a very potent product that has given relief to a lot of people
Answer: from Warren
Moxxor is a great example of slick marketing and advertising with a good story and appealing to people's inherent desire to make money.
What the developers of Moxxor have done is take green lipped mussel oil, combined it with omega 3 fish oil and added some grapeseed oil (which is so cheap that it is used as cooking oil in New Zealand).
We considered using almost identical mussel oil some years ago and combining it with our Omega 3 but decided against it in favor of using a concentrated powder extract of the greenlipped mussel. The reason why we did this as opposed to using the mussel oil, which would have been easier to combine with the Omega 3 fish oil was simply because when the green lipped mussel is processed into oil some important fractions of the mussel itself are lost.
The mussel oil extract is only used in very small doses and as I indicated some of the anti-inflammatory fractions are lost in the processing.
Because of this we did considerable research figuring out how we could successfully suspend the green lipped mussel extract powder which still contained all the valuable lipids into our New Zealand Hoki Fish oil and then encapsulate it a soft gel. This was ultimately successful and if how we ended up with our GLM Omega 3 Plus.
I tried to find some specific information on the Moxxor product such as the amount of Omega 3, DHA and EPA per soft gel and how much mussel oil but had no success. If a reader has that info I would like to know the details.
The only info that I could find out other than the three ingredients in non specified quantities that a bottle costs around US$60 and there are only 60 soft gels in a bottle.
It appears that the soft gels are very small (I suspect as small as 350mgs) so the amount of Omega 3 content would be very low.
This does not seem to be very good value when you line it up with our GLM Omega 3 Plus which has over 1,000mgs of Omega 3 and green lipped mussel extract per soft gel and only costs US$28.95 for 90 soft gels.
But, then as with all Multi-level marketing products they have to overprice them to pay all the levels of commissions. The claim that it costs less to market a product in this way compared to traditional outlets is a myth.
Bottom line...it is extremely unlikely to be more effective than our GLM Omega and is much more likely to less effective...
Warren Matthews
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Thanks for that info. Now that we know that it is 150mgs per capsule I would suspect that they have around 25 - 50 mgs of mussel oil, about the same of Hoki fish oil and the balance grape seed oil. I would like to know the exact amounts if you can find out. Also, what the omega 3 levels are of the Hoki fish oil, including DHA and EPA.
Our Omega 3 DHA esters is just pure concentrated molecular distilled Hoki fish oil and contains 1,000mgs per soft gel. There are no fillers and the recommended daily dose is 2 soft gels per day.
The GLM Omega 3 Plus is using the same Hoki fish oil but the amount of oil per soft gel is less in order to make room for the concentrated greenlipped mussel extract.
Each soft gels contains 834mgs of Omega 3 fish oil, plus an additional 166mgs of concentrated greenlipped mussel extract.This means that a daily dose of the GLM Omega product is equivilant to 2 1/2 soft gels of the plain Omega 3 DHA esters.
You can see more info on the ingredients at http://www.xtend-life.com/product/GLM-Omega_3_Plus/Ingredients.aspx
The bottom line is that you will get more benefits from the GLM Omega 3 Plus than Moxxor and cost you a lot less.
With regard to your auto-shipment, did you select the auto option or the customer activated option in your account? All auto ship orders are by default customer activated so no one inadvertantly is shipped product they don't want.
Could you please email Chantal at chantal.uden@xtend-life.com and she will check it out. If it had been scheduled to go it would have left on the due date. I can't check it myself as I do not know your email address or last name. Sorry about that, but if you contact Chantal now she will get back to you immediately and give you the status.
Just got your order details. I will let Chantal know immediately and she will email you shortly. Thanks
Just spoke to Chantal and she has confirmed your order was shipped on the 17th October so you should have had it by now.
I suspect that it may turn up in the next few days but if it is not there by the end of this week then let Chantal know and we will send you a replacement two bottles of the Total Balance Premium that you had ordered.
In the meantime Chantal is shipping to you today 2 bottles of the GLM Omega 3 Plus. We will not debit your credit card at the moment.
If your current order does not turn up and we ship another two bottles of TB Premium then we will just charge you the difference between the two bottles of Omega 3 and the GLM Omega.
If the current order does turn up then you could return the two bottles of Omega 3 DHA and so the end result would be the same.
For now you don't need to do anything and as I said no charges would be put through. Let Chantal know direct at the end of the week or sooner if it turns up in the meantime.
Sorry for this inconvience. We have about 1 in 200 packets go missing but we automatically replace them at no cost when they do.
I am also sorry that the GLM was not more obvious on the product pages. I agree that it can be somewhat buried. We will try to rearrange it so it is easier to see.
Thanks
A couple of questions.
1. If I start taking GLM-Omega 3 Plus I assume I should discontinue Omega 3 / DHA Esters, right? I was thinking of starting Arthrit-Eze and you recommend GLM-Omega 3 Plus with it.
2. Can you give a comparison of Arthrit-Eze and LaKota JointCare Formula for Arthritis Symptoms please. I've been using this in the past with some fair results for joint pain.
Here is an example of me 'jumping the gun'. I have just been informed by Chantal, our Customer Relations manager that my comment of 1 packet per 200 going missing is WAY out! It is only 1 in about 1,200 packets. That's a lot better...and I should have checked before I made that statement. Sorry.
I had a look at the LaKota Joint care formula. Unfortunately I don't have time at the moment to do a detailed review but I had a look at the ingredients and the amounts of them and I honestly would be surprised if it did anything for you.
Have a look at the ingredients of the LaKota formula which I found at http://www.turnerdrugs.com/item176.htm and then have a look at the ingredients of Arthrit-eze at
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Arthrit-Eze/Ingredients.aspx
It is an extreme example of chalk to cheese. The GLM-Omega 3 on its own will do more for you than the LaKota formula.
Yes, if you start on the GLM Omega 3 Plus at the recommended dose of 3 soft gels per day then you do not need to take the Omega 3 DHA soft gels as you will be getting the same amount of Omega 3 in the GLM product.
You may find that with a combination of the Arthrit-Eze and the GLM Omega that you can cut down the daily dose of Arthrit-eze after a couple of months. You would need to experiment a bit.
I took a look and yes that's the formula but it shows 2 capsules twice daily for the first 5 days; then 1 capsule twice daily thereafter.
On my bottle it's 6 capsules a day for up so many days and then 3-4 per day thereafter. Some discrepancy. Does that change things at all for you?
Neither 2 capsules and certainly not 1 capsule of LaKota will do much for you based on the ingredients and amounts of them that they have.
A bottle is very expensive for what it contains. Sorry I haven't time to do an detailed anaylsis at the moment, but I would like to do so later.
Here is what one user had to say about it.
http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=4410
After two weeks I already have 17 people in my downline who are all on autoship so people in the States are buying Moxxor but I don't think many Aussies would pay $90 a bottle.
There is also another GLM product being sold by MLM. I found some interesting links at: http://omegaxlbenefits.com/articles/Omega-XL and at: http://www.nutraingredients.com/Industry/Industry-proposes-mussel-extract-registration-by-use
Last week I handed out a few Moxxor recruitment CD's and several people called me asking where they can purchase it.
Do you still offer a Xtend-Life affiliate program? I did get set up with a Xtend-Life Affiliate ID number several years ago but I can't find where I can log in to check my sales stats so I have not been promoting you like I could.
I agree that products sold by MLM are overpriced. But people will pay for the opportunity to build a business promoting something they believe in.
I also promote Kakadu Juice which is an Australian MLM product and I have finally discovered how to get a new group of 50+ strangers to meet up with me each month for a free health talk my that my wife and I give.
At the end of the talk we give everyone a free booklet and DVD to take home and inside the booklet I include links to several MLM supplements.
The best part is all of these people come because they are interested in improving their health. They do not come looking for an MLM income opportunity. But after their second retail purchase I will ask them for referrals and tell them that they can purchase at wholesale prices and I'll help put their friends into their downline.
My wife and I do MLM because to continue to travel and give our talks for free we have to. Dam you... your products are so good and priced so low that there is little motivation for us to promote them except for the guilt of knowing that most people only want to be product users and would prefer to pay less.
If your Xtend-Life affiliate program is still working I'll be tempted to send more people your way but doing so can cost me a large residual income.
Anyway I'll send you a bottle of Moxxor to test if you like. Just tell me how to address the package and I'll get it right out to you.
Cheers,
Steve
I really appreciate your offer to send us a bottle of Moxxor...but I don't think that this is going to be needed. I expect to have the full breakdown of ratios and content within a few days.
You certainly seem to be well organized and I congratulate you on this.
Yes, we still do have an affiliate program. Could you drop Lance an email at lance@xtend-life.com and he can give you more details.
Right now I am trying to pack as I have to leave to catch a plane at 4.30am tomorrow morning. I will be mostly travelling for the next 5 days but I will hope to post more on this subject later this week.
Cheers,
Steve
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Difference between Moxor and cheaper green-lipped mussel products
Some people have been asking about the differences between Moxor and cheaper green-lipped mussel products. Here's an answer on the difference between Moxor and a product called "Sea Mussel" from Blue Dragon: (answer provided by Jeremy, the Moxor science advisor):
Thanks for your question relating to the Sea Mussel capsules from Blue Dragon.
You should be aware there are a number of very significant dfferences between Moxor and Blue Dragon;
1 - The freeze-dried powder in Blue Dragon has come from cooked mussels as a by-product rejected from the food industry due to its size or over cooking. The efficacy or effectiveness doesn’t even compare with Moxor.
2 - 150mg of the extract in Moxor is the same as 3000mg of Blue Drago mussel powder.
3 - The Blue Dragon mussel powder will not provide the same anti-inflamatory effect that Moxor will provide as the omega-3's it contains will have been oxidized in the cooking and freeze-drying process.
4 - Moxor only uses greenlip mussels that have been selected for our proprietary extraction and does not use “seconds” from the food industry.
5 - Moxor does not remove the flesh of the mussel from the shell by using heat.
6 - Moxor does not use a 24 hour freeze-drying process that allows oxidation over this period.
7 - Moxor will contain 20 times the amount of Omega-3's that the Blue Dragon mussel powder contains.
I am not familiar with the product Blue Dragon that they are referring to but there are some broad sweeping statments that are being made by Jeremy,
For example, he refers to 150mgs of the extract in Moxxor being the same as 3000mgs of Blue Dragon mussel powder. How many capsules of Moxxor does that require to get the 150mgs of extract?
Or, is he saying that one 150mg capsule of Moxxor is the equivilant? If so that cannot be right as the each capsule of Moxxor only contains a small amount of the mussel extract.
The fish oil and grape seed oil will contribute to the overall Omega 3, but is the fish oil concentrated? The grape seed oil would only have ALA not DHA and EPA!
They can't make claims that it contains '20 times' the amount etc without supporting it with hard data and in that regard they are less than forthcoming.
I am still researching this subject and hope to be ready to respond in detail next week.